Employers of foreign domestic workers in Hong Kong are planning to organize a petition and a demonstration to oppose the lifting of the “live-in” rule for maids.
Joan Tsui, convenor of the Support Group for HK Employers with Foreign Domestic Helpers, said most employers worried that workers would become lazy or could not perform well if they live separately, Headline Daily reported.
Working parents who greatly depend on maids to take care of their children in the morning worried the most if the maid would be late for work, she said.
Some employers also worried that their workers would want to do another part-time job illegally after work.
Tsui believed that if the “live-in” requirement was cancelled, domestic workers who live out for a long period of time in Hong Kong would have solid evidence for them to apply for permanent residency.
Tsui predicted that at least 100,000 of the 350,000 maids in the city would choose to live separately, and there was the risk of large-scale redundancies happening if the choices between employer and maid were different.
The live-in rule was introduced in 2003 and implemented via standard employment contracts and pledges when workers apply for visas.
The Hong Kong High Court heard in October a judicial review filed by a Filipino domestic worker against the “live-in” rule, alleging that it forces the workers to be on call 24 hours a day and puts them in a risk of being abused.
Barrister Albert Luk Wai-hung said the ruling on the judicial review would have a great impact on society. He predicted that the side that loses the case will appeal, which means it may not be settled for two to three years.
That means maids have no right to apply for residency??? It’s another ground of fear or descrimination?
Chezy mga chekwa nag iisip b kayo mas marami nga wala room n katulong nagmamagaling p kyo
I prefer for live out so that we spend exact time for work and take more time for our rest hours unlike live in as long as the employer’s awake we can’t sleep too
they worried bcoz most of them are dependent to their helper they can’t do it by their own.
I never had interest for residents I love my country.
Selfes mga intsik na mga i2 sarli lng nla iniisp nla as long as bnbyran ka ala ng paki kainis
Employers should be honest to their self ,some employer their lazy to help or assist their kids to woke up in the morning cause their still in bed .They signed a contract maid have their room but when you start to work with them you find out ,sleep in the kitchen or in living room.
But lucky me my Bosses are kind ,I have my room,and finish early my duty , just feeling sorry to my co Filipino ,hoping that God enlighten the heart and mind of the employer to give their enough space for their helper to have a rest at night.
Unreasonable..living out will make helpers look for part time job after work? When is the time we have a chance to have a part time after our work? 1-6 am?
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Ito po ung part na basis Ng comment kopo…"Tsui believed that if the “live-in” requirement was cancelled, domestic workers who live out for a long period of time in Hong Kong would have solid evidence for them to apply for permanent residency."
Yes its true when we finished our work it is 9 sometimes 10pm how can we go work part time? When we cannot almost walk from exhausting ourselves the whole day we also need rest!
Or we have room but looks like a storage,just a bed and little space to walk in and out the rest iall there things
And some of the employers let their helpers sleep in the kitchen too.
WHY THE FUSS ABOUT LIVE OUT RULE? ITS ACTUALLY GOOD FOR THE HELPER AND EMPLOYER CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THE HELPER WILL BE OF GOOD HEALTH AND THAT EMPLOYERS WILL NOT WORRY OF THEIR ACCOMMODATION ESPECIALLY IF THE FLAT IS TOO SMALL TO INCLUDE A HELPER.
IF THE EMPLOYERS WORRY OF THEIR HELPERS GETTING LATE TO WORK THEN WHY NOT IMPOSED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE HELPER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH HER WORKING TIME ETHICS?
REGARDING THE WORRY OF THEIR HELPER TO DO PART TIME JOBS AFTER THEIR WORK, WAS IT NOT IN THE CONTRACT AGREEMENT THAT SUCH PART TIMING IS PROHIBITED BY THE LAW? AND IF SHE(HELPER) DO IT DESPITE KNOWING THE LAW THEN ITS NOT THE EMPLOYERS ACCOUNTABILITY RIGHT?
LET THE HELPERS HAVE LIFE AND AT THE SAME TIME GOOD REST FOR THEM TO BE EFFICIENT WORKERS OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD.
Many of them (employers) afraid of loosing their dependency to their workers. Coz if the worker live separately they can’t call out for help during night time (ha ha ha) why do they think only their side? What about our side? Most of you ( employers doesn’t know how to be considerate. You have treated as like a slave and it seems like you already owned us because of the salary you’re giving us monthly. You (employers) work overtime and you got paid off. And not thinking your workers long hours of working. And take note NO PAY… It’s free!!!
I need rest not a part-time, all of us knows before we enter here the roles which is illegal and not.so it’s for you to do so.
Hk employers are very much dependent on their helpers- from the time they wake up til the time they go to bed.
If employers are worried their helpers are gonna be late coming to work the next day- what is the difference if their helper is late in waking up because they hadn’t had enough sleep the night before because they had to work til wee hours of the night just because they are "live- in"?
Hk employers are just scared their helpers wont be around for those little things they can’t and wont do for themselves
The only thing employers in HK are worried about is that their 24-hour slaves would become regular workers as everybody else. Why don’t these ’employers’ spend 24 hours per day at their workplace as well, if they like it so much?
Dependent kasi masyado sa katulong… Takot malate?o takot malugi sa sahod… Wow..become lazy… Yung tipong di kami pwed magpahinga matulog dahil gising pa sila… Tapos ginigising kapag trip nila… Ayaw nyo maging residente mga matagal na nagwowork dto dahil magmamahal na sweldo nila… Dont us.hhahahahha
Admit it or not..mostly live in helpers is being abused..no bedroom..no privacy..luck of food ang long working time..even during holidays they expect their maids to tidy up everything even during holidays..if maid complain..termination will be the next issue..in didnt say that all employers are mean and abussive but accept the reality..most employers are abusing the sense of having a live helper..
I prefer live-out so that we can take more rest, unlike if you are live in you will stay awake until midnight, besides most of the employers are dependent to the helper
If thwy cannot trust their helpers can show up on time. How can they trust them to take care of their kids ? Their reasons are just ridiculous.
Oh come on hk employers(mostly),say what you’re afraid of.your worries are far from what is real.
The fact is that u are worried because no one will peel an orange for you at midnight,no one will serve you even drinking water,you are worried because you migjt die without a helper for few hours…
Please do not fool yourselves by saying helpers might be late or lazy,if you open your eyes and mind you will realize that it is you(most employers) are the ones that are lazy.some cant even wake up in the morning by themselves because they r behaving like a queen haha
M Janice Yatar Garvin correct!
why would they be concerned sbout helpers hsving part-time? thats the duty of the gov’t to look into. Just be honest, if you treat helpers well with dignity and respect, what else would they ask for?
Most employers prefer live in helper,they depend too much to their helper…which is not right…a helper is to help not to shoulder all the work at home especially if there’s a baby…and one thing more,employers should pay the helper if they require to babysit…because they also paid in their work if they do over time
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Yes me too pero nakaka awa ang mga kapwa natin na walang sariling room or privacy..
Very true employer ko nga kahit asa off ka tawag ka at pauwiin which is d ko nman tinotolerate bahala xa
Ang tsekwa abusado my amo n sagad kon paguwi m day off gagawin m lahat ng kalat utos dito wantosawa kauutos hayys
Big TRUE.. Kahit pag uwi mo minsan galing sa day off parang tinamaan ng IPO IPO ang kusina. Then its really difficult if you don’t have privacy.
ridiculuous!how can we work part time?if we are so tired, you people only cares about yourself. we understand that employers here are also working thats why they hired maids to look after they kids, but the point is you guys to need to rest after work right? we us also.
But most of the helpers here having no privacy for short no room the helper sleep with the rubbish bin vacuum cleaner all clothes for the employer laundry basket what can you say by that?but we have no complain but hope employers also be considerate how if youre on our situation
That’s true..sa akin nga pag na late sila gising ako sisihin bakit daw diko ginising.next time daw pag late na gisingin KO sya (amo KO)wala ba sila sarili utak para gumising sa oras..pati un ipapaobliga nila sa katulong..at ito pa share na nga kami ng room ng alaga KO ginagawa pang study room.gabi gabi sila ng Aral sa kwarto ang ingay ingay pa at hanggang 11pm pa..grabeh walang privacy..
most stay in helpers suffer from selfish employers,that you cant even cook your own food cause they complain that it smells,you cant even have a full 1 hour lunch break,you need to start up early in the morning and finish late.sometimes they even have to call you in the middle of the night just to open the door even if they have keys.on holiday they will text you asking shits and the following day the kitchen looks like a warzone,they cant even put the dishes inside the dishwasher,they will wait for you to do that! and my friend driver,if he is not driving,his employer will look for something for him to do. i have a nice room,privacy and no curfew but will really complain bout the working hours and cooking my own food.i feel sad for my fellow dh that have this kind of experience,too.THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HELPER AND A ROBOT!
,,yung ikaw pa mahihiya mag goodnight kasi kakawag kawag pa sila.magsabi ka na tapos kana,titingin pa sa relo mga yan.kaka sura.
Tas kapag naunahan kang matulog d k rin mkatulog kc ka room mate mo ang alagang padang chain saw kapag tulog haha.
i think its still ok to. Be a live in but the goverment must make a rule to have certain time of rest of the helper .example 9pm helper must take a rest if wmployer didnt follow tbey pay penalty
M Janice Yatar Garvin bkit nman cla isip resedenCy Kalukuhan yon. .we only need live out.for privacy. ..
it would be good to have defined working hours. Whatever a helper does in her free time should be his/her choice unless it affects the ability to work for the employer during the designated hours. I would like to have a helper but I also dont want a live in. We have the space but I would also like family privacy. I think employers and helpers should have privacy.
same as me,I don’t have room I sleep on the floor in the kitchen. Holidays we need to clean the house before going out for day off.
Hope they will strictly implement the exact helpers room accommodation and holidays.
Just make whole day kindergarten for our kids from 8am till 6pm like in my country and we don’t need helpers! I can clean and cook by myself very fast while my kids in kindergarten! It’s because KG only 3 hours so we have to hire helper
true… its not about doing illegal partime or able to do what we want to do thats why some of us wanna have this live-out policy… it just for us to have the right working hours….. and to have enough rest
Marites Mariano Tobias same tau… curfew ko dw 8:30… then i went home exactly 8:30…. she still complain…. then sabi bfore 8:30…. so cge lang ako… after that 8pm plang tinatawgan na ko para umuwe at magtrabaho
We just need privacy and enough time to rest.
Agree..
JOAN TSUI YOU HAVE A FUNNY AND WEIRD KIND OF THINKING. I CHALLENGE YOU FACE THE HELPERS IN A CONFERENCE AND HEAR WHAT IS GOING TO SPEAK OF THE HELPERS.
HELPERS WILL START WORKING FROM MORNING TIL MIDNIGHT AND FORWARD. HELPERS STILL WORKING ON OFFDAYS IF THEY NOT PREPARE BREAKFAST BEFORE GOING OUT THEY WILL CLEAR OFF THE MESS.
CAMPAIGN TO YOUR GROUP OF EMPLOYERS TO STOP TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE HELPERS PRESENCE. HELPERS ARE HUMAN BEINGS WORKING AS A MAID WHO NEEDS RESPECT AND NOT BELITTLE. HELPERS ARE NOT SLAVES.
JOAN TSUI IF YOU WANT TO LIFT THE LIVE–IN RULE THEN. CAMPAIGN TO YOUR GROUP OF EMPLOYERS AN 8 hours of working hours 6 days a week. AFTER 8 hours will have extra pay. per hour.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND JOAN TSUI?