China-US relations are rapidly deteriorating across many fronts. Prominent and worrying are their increasingly acrimonious military-to-military relations, particularly in the South China Sea. Now the US Navy is proposing a major show of force over several days in the Taiwan Strait and against China’s claims and actions in the South China Sea. Given the context, this could result in military confrontation, and even conflict.
This proposal is in keeping with the recent more aggressive US policy and actions against China in the South China Sea. The first indication that a new policy was coming surfaced on May 3 when the White House announced that there would be “near-term and long-term consequences” for China’s “militarization” there.
The Pentagon then rescinded its invitation to China to participate in the 2018 Rim of the Pacific Exercise because “China’s behavior [in the South China Sea] is inconsistent with the principles and purposes of the RIMPAC exercise.”
Then in June at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore, US Defense Secretary James Mattis warned China that the rescinding of the invitation was a “relatively small consequence and that there are much larger consequences in the future.”
On October 4, US Vice-President Michael Pence gave a Cold War–like “it’s us or them” speech criticizing China across the board and highlighting the recent “unsafe” challenge by a Chinese destroyer to the USS Decatur as it was undertaking a freedom-of-navigation operation (FONOP) against China’s claims in the South China Sea. Some analysts think that the physical challenge was a reflection of a Chinese policy decision to increase the risk and potential cost of such encounters.
The US has been stepping up its military activities in the sea, including what China considers provocative exercises and FONOPs in its ‘near seas.’ More threatening, the US has stepped up overflights of the East and South China seas its nuclear-capable B-52s
Under President Donald Trump the US has been stepping up its military activities in the sea, including what China considers provocative exercises and FONOPs in its “near seas.” More threatening, the US has stepped up overflights of the East and South China seas its nuclear-capable B-52s.
China has responded in kind to what it sees as the growing US threat. For example, its air force spokesman said the landing of nuclear-capable bombers at Woody Island was training to improve its ability to “reach all territory, conduct strikes at any time and strike in all directions as well as preparation for … the battle for the South China Sea.”
It also undertook major naval and air exercises in the South China Sea and around Taiwan, including a live-fire exercise in the East China Sea that some saw as a warning to Taiwan, Japan and the US.
Some say all this tit-for-tat is simply posturing. Perhaps it is, but physical posturing can still result in confrontation, especially if it is representative of national interests.
Pence declared that “China wants nothing less than to push the United States of America from the Western Pacific and attempt to prevent us from coming to the aid of our allies.” He vowed: “We will not be intimidated, and we will not stand down.”
Despite this bluster, some in the US analytic policy community are beginning to accept a new reality. In an article in Foreign Policy, veteran policy analysts Robert Manning and James Pryzstup conclude that “the reality is that US core interests are not really at stake [in the South China Sea] and China knows it. The United States needs to come to terms with the great strategic questions of our time: What Chinese role in the Asia-Pacific can it live with?”
The proposal for a massive US show of force is still a draft and other officials will provide input regarding potential reactions from China and other countries in the region. However, the revelation of its existence will give China time to prepare its responses. These are likely to be calculated and proportionate, such as exercises and challenges of their own as well as an overall increased military presence there.
This of course would increase the likelihood of purposeful encounters, possible incidents and even collisions between assets of the opposing military forces. China’s nationalists – who are an influential domestic political force – will be watching and waiting to put pressure on China’s leadership if it fails to respond to their satisfaction.
The basic problem is that this contretemps is not really about “freedom of navigation” or China’s militarization of its occupied features or even its intimidation of other claimants. The US-China struggle for control of the South China Sea is symptomatic of a much deeper “clash of civilizations.” Both consider it their right and destiny to dominate and shape the international order to fit their needs. As such, they believe that existing international norms and rules do not apply to them if their observance would go against their “national interest.”
Their face-off in the South China Sea is thus a contest of political and economic systems and their underpinning raison d’être. This clash of cultures and self-images is what makes the outcome so important. It is also why it and the competition between the two in the South China Sea is being so carefully watched by those likely to be directly and immediately affected – as well as the rest of the world.
In what could be a very dangerous assumption, some think China assumes that the US will not go to war with it over the South China Sea issues because the question of ownership of militarily indefensible flyspecks and the resources there are not a core US national-security interest. Indeed, the real question for the US is: Is it prepared to engage in a kinetic conflict over issues that are not really a “core” national interest?
So far Washington seems to have concluded that support for its “friends and allies” or for nebulous concepts like the international order or the freedom of navigation for warships are not sufficient reasons to do so. More important, it is beginning to realize that its “allies and friends” do not want to see a confrontation between the US and China, at least one that will involve or negatively affect them – and it is difficult to imagine one that would not.
The US may or may not “invite” other countries to join these operations. Even if it does not, the region’s countries will be under considerable pressure to choose between the two regarding these US-China issues – and in general. Their participation – or not– may be seen as supporting one or the other, and will bear consequences.
Indeed, to do so, they would be putting themselves squarely in China’s crosshairs for economic and political punishment. The US might not like the political outcome. Some – perhaps many – may choose not to participate. They might judge that for them this is not the time, nor the place, nor the way to demonstrate support for US interests and values vis-a-vis a dangerous potential enemy. Some just do not want such involvement of outside powers.
Assuming there is a military standoff short of conflict, the question then becomes, what next? As Christopher Hill, former US deputy secretary of state for East Asia and the Pacific, says, the US tends to view international disputes “as military challenges that are merely masquerading as political issues. In fact, they are usually the opposite, which is why the world’s most complex conflicts are rarely resolved by [military] intervention.”
This is likely to be yet another example.
"the world’s most complex conflicts are rarely resolved by [military] intervention.”
Wrong. They are almost always solved by war.
"the world’s most complex conflicts are rarely resolved by [military] intervention.”
Wrong. They are almost always solved by war.
It would be interesting if all 4 ships in the Chinese Navy decided to defend those "islands".
It would be interesting if all 4 ships in the Chinese Navy decided to defend those "islands".
The other countries in the region are already in China’s crosshairs. America isn’t going anywhere, we will stand by our allies.
The other countries in the region are already in China’s crosshairs. America isn’t going anywhere, we will stand by our allies.
Peter==Then China should stop trying to start a war.
Peter==Then China should stop trying to start a war.
China doesn’t own the South China Sea. It isn’t the core interest of the USA? Give it to them freely, and the US would be soon hardpressed to defend it’s core national interest.
China doesn’t own the South China Sea. It isn’t the core interest of the USA? Give it to them freely, and the US would be soon hardpressed to defend it’s core national interest.
Well they may well send ALL of their 496 ships to the conflict, which the US would lose because even though the US has more ships but they are all over the planet.
Well they may well send ALL of their 496 ships to the conflict, which the US would lose because even though the US has more ships but they are all over the planet.
Jeff Voeks
You may not have noticed but China is not doing freedom of navigation excercises in the Gulf of Mexico. Nor are they trying to turn Canada and Mexico into US enemies like the US is trying to turn China`s neighbours into enemies of China. So who is pushing for war here?
Also you might want to open a history book once in a while to see what your country has been doing over the last 100 years.
Jeff Voeks
You may not have noticed but China is not doing freedom of navigation excercises in the Gulf of Mexico. Nor are they trying to turn Canada and Mexico into US enemies like the US is trying to turn China`s neighbours into enemies of China. So who is pushing for war here?
Also you might want to open a history book once in a while to see what your country has been doing over the last 100 years.
Get real. The US has a record of throwing allies under the bus when it suits them.
Get real. The US has a record of throwing allies under the bus when it suits them.
And those interests would be?
And those interests would be?
The US is the dominant air power in the world. The US is also the dominant naval power in the world. China is dependent on imported oil and coal to run its economy, so it’s extremely vulnerable to blockade.
China is a land power. China’s air and sea power are relatively small compared to the US. China would lose any air and sea conflict with the US fairly quickly. As the article points out, the artificial islands are militarily indefensible. The US would destroy all of those installations easily at the start of any conflict.
Freedom of navigation is a vital principle in facilitating international trade. It is vital to the whole world’s economic health. Freedom of navigation is thus a vital US national interest.
The US is the dominant air power in the world. The US is also the dominant naval power in the world. China is dependent on imported oil and coal to run its economy, so it’s extremely vulnerable to blockade.
China is a land power. China’s air and sea power are relatively small compared to the US. China would lose any air and sea conflict with the US fairly quickly. As the article points out, the artificial islands are militarily indefensible. The US would destroy all of those installations easily at the start of any conflict.
Freedom of navigation is a vital principle in facilitating international trade. It is vital to the whole world’s economic health. Freedom of navigation is thus a vital US national interest.
Thomas Daniel Kuhn ===That’s a freaking lie there are American graves all over the world from defending our friends.
Thomas Daniel Kuhn ===That’s a freaking lie there are American graves all over the world from defending our friends.
Thomas Daniel Kuhn =China is making other countries enemies by their hostile actions, don’t blame America for your actions.Those are international waters we are their to make sure they stay that way.The last 100 years America has been defending the free world while China has been invading and murdering people in great numbers so save your communist talking points.
Thomas Daniel Kuhn =China is making other countries enemies by their hostile actions, don’t blame America for your actions.Those are international waters we are their to make sure they stay that way.The last 100 years America has been defending the free world while China has been invading and murdering people in great numbers so save your communist talking points.
Thomas Daniel Kuhn Freedom of Navigation. Comm. Dale first did it in the First Barbary Wars. For sure, Chincoms like you don’t get it.
Thomas Daniel Kuhn Freedom of Navigation. Comm. Dale first did it in the First Barbary Wars. For sure, Chincoms like you don’t get it.
"or for nebulous concepts like the international order or the freedom of navigation for warships"
Freedom of navigation isnt limited to warships, it applies to all ships and shipping. I suppect that the Trump administration, more so then previous Republican administrations who were hegemonic, is willing to accept a degree of regional influence by China, but it will not, nor should it brook any interverance in the freedom of navogation over international sea or air lanes.
As a trading nation we can not do otherwise. And, such interferance is a justifiable reason for the use of Kenetic force.
"or for nebulous concepts like the international order or the freedom of navigation for warships"
Freedom of navigation isnt limited to warships, it applies to all ships and shipping. I suppect that the Trump administration, more so then previous Republican administrations who were hegemonic, is willing to accept a degree of regional influence by China, but it will not, nor should it brook any interverance in the freedom of navogation over international sea or air lanes.
As a trading nation we can not do otherwise. And, such interferance is a justifiable reason for the use of Kenetic force.
Georgia and Ukraine thanked America for its support from their graves
Georgia and Ukraine thanked America for its support from their graves
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Nuclear shootout? We’ll see.
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Nuclear shootout? We’ll see.
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I wholeheartedly agree, Ben.
Chinese General: “If the Americans are determined to intervene [in China’s internal affairs] we will be determined to respond." According to the Financial Times he also said, "We will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all the cities east of the Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."
I wonder who’s going to fire that first shot across the bow, Ben.
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I wholeheartedly agree, Ben.
Chinese General: “If the Americans are determined to intervene [in China’s internal affairs] we will be determined to respond." According to the Financial Times he also said, "We will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all the cities east of the Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."
I wonder who’s going to fire that first shot across the bow, Ben.
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4 ship collision:
Well… As if the EP-3 incident wasn’t informative enough….
Worse case scenario: a showdown between the two or how many other parties, follow by nukes flying everywhichway…
Bottom line: if Kim’s Udons is a headache as is for world peace, imagine what it would be like to threaten someone a hundred times as massive and a hundred times more advance than Kim Boy…
End of four ship story…
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4 ship collision:
Well… As if the EP-3 incident wasn’t informative enough….
Worse case scenario: a showdown between the two or how many other parties, follow by nukes flying everywhichway…
Bottom line: if Kim’s Udons is a headache as is for world peace, imagine what it would be like to threaten someone a hundred times as massive and a hundred times more advance than Kim Boy…
End of four ship story…
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Jeff Voeks
Should stop trying to stoo a war:
China is not in Iraq. She is not in Libya. She’s not in Syria. She’s not even threatening Iran,
Read my lips: who is the one trying to start wars (plural)?
Irony is a funny thing isn’t it?
Jeff Voeks
Should stop trying to stoo a war:
China is not in Iraq. She is not in Libya. She’s not in Syria. She’s not even threatening Iran,
Read my lips: who is the one trying to start wars (plural)?
Irony is a funny thing isn’t it?
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***We will stand by our allies***
Good for you. That means, ultimately, that the next big bang is inevitable.
Start enjoying life folks.
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***We will stand by our allies***
Good for you. That means, ultimately, that the next big bang is inevitable.
Start enjoying life folks.
Thomas Daniel Kuhn
***496 ships***
Nah!!!…
Those 496 ships are not the formula to this equation…
Those 496 ships, and the whole USN, are just one of the various variables to this equation we nick named “doors of hell”…
The formula to hell here is kniwn as WW3 and, given this era of no bulls technology we live in, it doesn’t take 496 ships to start it…
All it takes is a bit of Clint Eastwood machos and mentality and humanity will be guaranteed go down the drain…
Damn! And I’m just starting to enjoy life…
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Thomas Daniel Kuhn
***496 ships***
Nah!!!…
Those 496 ships are not the formula to this equation…
Those 496 ships, and the whole USN, are just one of the various variables to this equation we nick named “doors of hell”…
The formula to hell here is kniwn as WW3 and, given this era of no bulls technology we live in, it doesn’t take 496 ships to start it…
All it takes is a bit of Clint Eastwood machos and mentality and humanity will be guaranteed go down the drain…
Damn! And I’m just starting to enjoy life…
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***China doesn’t own the South China Sea***
Well…
That’s not for you to determine…
That’s something for “THE USA” and for CHINA” to determine. And, more likely than not, it’s to be determined by military means…
In any case, if it’s pride you are seeking, which I suspect is the only explaination, SORRY, but you don’t even have any clue where you’ve lost it but, it definitely isn’t in the Spratlys ir the Parcels…
You only think it is because you were put up to logicalize and see it that way by those who have the power to determine if your lives are worth something or if it’s worth nothing at all…
In any case, setting Asian businesses on fire, rioting, creating chaos and hysteria, or…
Cold blooded murder of Hong Kong tourists who contributes massively to your country’s economy isn’t going to do it…
Simply put: ENVY serves you no mean ends…
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***China doesn’t own the South China Sea***
Well…
That’s not for you to determine…
That’s something for “THE USA” and for CHINA” to determine. And, more likely than not, it’s to be determined by military means…
In any case, if it’s pride you are seeking, which I suspect is the only explaination, SORRY, but you don’t even have any clue where you’ve lost it but, it definitely isn’t in the Spratlys ir the Parcels…
You only think it is because you were put up to logicalize and see it that way by those who have the power to determine if your lives are worth something or if it’s worth nothing at all…
In any case, setting Asian businesses on fire, rioting, creating chaos and hysteria, or…
Cold blooded murder of Hong Kong tourists who contributes massively to your country’s economy isn’t going to do it…
Simply put: ENVY serves you no mean ends…
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In an era of state of the art “GUARANTEE-KILL SMART WEAPONS SYSTEMS (plural) which are standard and routine appointment of all three of the HUNKS, I’d say even Darth Vader’s Air Force would need to CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES and consider it hardhhhh before they open their big fat and stinky mouths…
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In an era of state of the art “GUARANTEE-KILL SMART WEAPONS SYSTEMS (plural) which are standard and routine appointment of all three of the HUNKS, I’d say even Darth Vader’s Air Force would need to CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES and consider it hardhhhh before they open their big fat and stinky mouths…
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***Trump administration, more so then previous Republican administrations who were hegemonic, is willing to accept a degree of regional influence by China***
Well…
Trump may just not be the exception to this “CROCODILIAN INFESTED SWAMP FACT” that we may like to see…
For BADLY NEEDED POLITICAL CAPITALS, he’ll just about sell anyone or anything out to gain it. That includes Xi, Putin, or his support for thus Freedom of Navigation BS eggs until it hatches…
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***Trump administration, more so then previous Republican administrations who were hegemonic, is willing to accept a degree of regional influence by China***
Well…
Trump may just not be the exception to this “CROCODILIAN INFESTED SWAMP FACT” that we may like to see…
For BADLY NEEDED POLITICAL CAPITALS, he’ll just about sell anyone or anything out to gain it. That includes Xi, Putin, or his support for thus Freedom of Navigation BS eggs until it hatches…
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