President Trump outraged European opinion by denouncing his allies on the far side of the Atlantic for their failure to meet NATO’s spending target of 2% of GDP.
Other alliance members, he added, should spend 4% of their output on defense, just like America does. His dudgeon at the Europeans was more than justified: the Europeans really are deadbeats who don’t pay their fair share of the cost of defending their own countries and leave the burden in the hands of American soldiers and taxpayers.
Trump’s remonstrations will fall on deaf ears. Why should Europeans spend money on arms, when they have no intention of using them?
A recent opinion poll found that small minorities in the core European members of NATO were willing to fight for their country under any circumstances.
At the bottom of the rankings were the Netherlands and Germany, at 16% and 18% respectively; at the top was Poland, with 48%. Outside of European NATO, 56% of Russians, 66% of Israelis, 44% of Americans and 74% of Finns said they were willing to fight. The Israeli number reflects the diffidence of Israeli Arabs, who comprise about one fifth of the population. One wonders what would happen if Finland were to invade the Netherlands.
If you don’t plan to fight, you don’t need weapons, and it is no surprise that Germany, with its budget surplus, can’t bring itself to vote for urgently-need funds for its military. Germany’s armed forces are in disrepair; a German brigade designated to lead a NATO rapid response force has only nine of the 44 tanks it requires and only four of the country’s military aircraft are combat ready.
If there’s nothing you’re willing to die for, there’s probably nothing you’re willing to live for, either, I argued in a 2014 essay on the hundredth anniversary of the First World War (see “Musil and Meta-Musil”). It should be no surprise that there is a reasonably close correspondence between the willingness of the Europeans to fight for their nations and their willingness to have children. If you care so little for your country that you will not defend it, you are likely to be too absorbed in hedonistic distraction to bother with children. Conversely, if there are to be no future generations, who will lay down his life to fight for them?
The chart below compares the total fertility for European countries (and adds Israel for good measure; that’s the lonely dot in the upper-right-hand quadrant). The r2 of regression is about 50%, with significance at the 99.9% confidence level.
Russia is indeed a potential threat to NATO, although the likelihood of a Russian attack on any NATO member is vanishingly small for the interim. The Russians are willing to fight, unlike the Western Europeans. Coincidentally, Russia’s total fertility rate has recovered remarkably and now stands about 1.7 children per female, close to that of the United States – and from the available Pew Survey data, that rate applies to European Russians as well as to Russian Muslims.
Russia remains below replacement fertility – about 2.1 children – and its population continues to decline, but far less quickly than the consensus believed it would only a few years ago. Vladimir Putin runs a nasty regime in which nosy journalists fall out of windows and regime opponents disappear, but Russia nonetheless has succeeded in reviving something of its national spirit where the Europeans have not.
The matter of dying for one’s country always has constituted a paradox in classical liberal thinking, by which I mean the viewpoint of Thomas Hobbes and John Locke, the English philosophers who argued that governments are formed by individuals who feel insecure in a “state of nature” and cede some of their personal sovereignty to the state in return for protection of life and property.
The idea is preposterous, but sadly influential. If governments are formed by individuals solely to protect their sorry persons and filthy lucre, why would any of these individuals lay down his life to defend the government, allowing those who do not die to benefit as free riders? In Locke’s day, to be sure, the British Army hired starving Irishmen and dispossessed farmers to do its fighting. When Napoleon unleashed the full force of citizen armies upon his European neighbors, classical liberalism had nothing more to say.
Something more than Locke’s notion of a mutual protection society is required if we are to justify the state’s monopoly of violence, its right to imprison or kill criminals at home, and to demand of its young people that they shed blood in its defense. The state must be imbued with a sense of the sacred and must stand surety for the continuity of our lives with those of generations that follow. It must preserve a heritage and a culture that allows our words and deeds to speak to future generations just as those of our ancestors speak to us.
Today’s Europe is something of a Lockean dystopia: It is composed of individuals concerned mainly about their own hedonic enjoyments, who want the government to protect them from want and disease, but have no desire whatever to defend their nations, which are on a slow boat to extinction in any event.
It is refreshing to hear an American president call the Europeans out for the sybarites and deadbeats they are, rather than repeat the old cant about the glories of the Atlantic Alliance and the gallantry of America’s allies.
The US leaving NATO will make everyone happy. The US saves blood and treasure, Europeans will realize they can take care of themselves, and Russia will have no excuse to feel threatened.
Dude, you did not even read the article and if you did you are and idiot.
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Good point. And one wants to see the actual questions posed, as the results seem off. Only 44% of my fellow Americans are willing to fight for our nation, and in an ultimate pinch? Many of my fellow cits are scoundrels and fools, but not that many. So the wording was likely tilting results. I likewise cannot believe the Dutch, etc., are as craven as the results suggest. Otherwise, a fine piece by Goldman. I sigh, however, to see so many cranks, and so many who have been miseducated into hating America, commenting on it. CS
What you think and the responses to the scientific poll are two different things:
"A recent opinion poll found that small minorities in the core European members of NATO were willing to fight for their country under any circumstances."
Note the words "under any circumstances". The Europeans would allow the Russians, or more likey the recent Muslim invaders, to rape their women and enslave their children and they would just roll over and take it.
Phil Cummings Not fair! They make really nice rugs.
urope is for Europe, as it should be….America should no longer foot the biils and be for America.
Steve Marquis – –
In days to come
the mountain of the Lord’s house
shall be established as the highest of the mountains,
and shall be raised above the hills;
all the nations shall stream to it.
Many peoples shall come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the house of the God of Jacob;
that he may teach us his ways
and that we may walk in his paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth instruction,
and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
He shall judge between the nations,
and shall arbitrate for many peoples;
they shall beat their swords into plowshares,
and their spears into pruning hooks;
nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war any more.
The scary thing of course, is that Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Iranians will fight to the (our) death. This is our enemies biggest payoff from the Western liberal movement, unilateral disarmament.
Mahbubul Alam Mona It is not us oppressing people, iI worry about actually oppressive countries overtaking America.
Fighting is not always our choice. It is the nature of man to fight and conquer. I like America being the strongest power in the world. It keeps us alive.
America will stay strong, despite the agitators on this site who blame us for the worlds woes.
Europe lost something in the neighborhood of 60 million people during the last big war, and quite a lot of people from 1914 through 1939 as well. We should reflect on that experience and learn from it.
David Horst I disagree with some of what you say, because I don’t think the Russians feels threatened by NATO at all; just look at how little Rusia cared about it in invading Ukraine. The nations of western Europe know they are not in danger of military invasion from Russia, at least not the real worry that existed with the USSR under Stalin. But a removal of the U.S. would worry Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Anti-Trump conservatives in the U.S. were and are worried about Trump’s seeming closeness to Putin because it may encourage Putin to re-invade those Baltic states on the pretext of "protecting" ethnic Russians living in those states (who were moved in after the Soviet invasion of 1940). These fears were amplified in 2016, with stuff by Trump backers like Newt Gingrich, who referred to Estonia as "the suburbs of Saint Petersburg" and siad it was not worth going to war over.
George… there is a long recognized law in mother nature… "only the fit survive"…. the law of the jungle. If a people are unwilling or unable to fight for their own survival or the survival of their life style, then soon they will perish like another other prey animal. Predators are real… they will always exist as long as there is a human ego. Live with it… or die by it.
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The U.S. Army can’t make you fight. But–they will draft you, train you, arm you, and drop you off on the battlefield. Where you can make up your own mind about it!
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Someone asked the Basic Training sergeant why he carried a pistol instead of a rifle. He answered, "I have very poor vision–I can’t see much beyond 50 feet. My position is behind you all directing your actions.
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And–my bad vision doesn’t mean much anyway. One of my jobs is to shoot anyone coming my way. If I see a face–I assume that it’s one of the enemy that got past you. And–I will shoot them dead when they are 100 yards in front of me!" A cautionary word to the wise for sure.
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Rocketman
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Seeing as the default answer to the question, "Would you be willing to fight to defend your country" should be an unequivical "yes," saying "I think most Europeans would be willing to fight in a defensive war" when not one country polled could get close to 50% is delusional.
Europeans so aghast and against defending themselves should simply ask Americans to leave. Heaven forbid we impose our will of defending individual liberty on a people. America would rather not spill another drop of our blood on people who aren’t even willing to defend themselves.
August Dramstad
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HI AD–been asleep under a rock for the last century, Sport?
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Notice anything strange going down in Europe in 1918 or 1945? Or in Japan in 1945? Or in West Germany in 1949? How ’bout when Reagan’s work resulted in the old evil USSR going broke in the 1990’s?
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Lots of countries would be speaking German or Japanese or Russian today if we hadn’t saved them from their oppressors and the threating Russki bear that owned them.
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Ask Poland and the other countries formerly behind the Iron Curtain about it.
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Rocketman
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Darwin would predict that fertility rate and willingness to fight would correlate., The higher the latter, the more likely that those who fight or fighting to defend or otherwise improve the reproductive chances of those with whom they share genes.
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Mexican revolutionary Emiliano Zapata, "It is far better to die on your feet fighting than it is to live on your knees!"
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Ask the WW2 French living under the Nazi Troops bootheels how "well" it works out when you fail to go to war and take out an up and coming invader as he builds up his Military to kill you!
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Those who refuse to cowboy up and fight will live as slaves and serve those who do! That’s been human history for 10000 years already. "May they wear their chains lightly!" Your choice, Losers!
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Rocketman
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Ivor Large The Far East? What in God’s name does that have to do with the topic?
Steve Marquis Funny how South East Asia has been peaceful ever since the interfering Americans pulled out. No "pacifism", just a commitment to resolve disputes like adults.
The rot is deep. Why would the US go to war in the Balkans, Ukraine or the Baltic?
Phadras Johns Give Trump two terms and the US will be out of the Western Pacific. He is making China Great Again!
Carl-Michelle Scott And how about those cranky Americans miseducated into hating Europe? And not understanding how preserving NATO is in the US’s national interest?
That’s really ignorant. It’s in America’s interest to keep the alliance.
The two world wars burned the testosterone out of Europe. The continent is now what Henry Kissinger feared it would become: Culturally interesting and strategically insignificant.
“US imperialistic follies” – We were attacked.
Yuval Brandstetter lol. German women have been getting raped by foreign invaders since 1945. There isn’t any German blood left to give lebensraum too
Troy Savage We’re the Colonel Jessup’s standing the wall of freedom while they question the manner in which we provide it.
Looks like they might be fighting that defensive war without the Americans. That’s cool, Germany has nine tanks.
The question should be would you fight for your personal freedom. Sometimes it could mean fighting against your country, depending on where you live.
Nuno… perfectly fine with me on the U.S. side. I’m for restructing NATO, downgrading it / ending it / revamping it to countries that are willing allies.
But what about the countries that are "European"? Many of my European friends insisted to me during the Orange Revolution that the Ukraine was European, and should be part of the EU and NATO. When the Crimea was invaded, the Europeans led the call for sanctions – and urged the U.S. to lead. Yet today, no one in Europe seems to care about the Ukraine and Crimea any more. Germany is off finding Russian gas deals, and other Europeans are seeking Russian trade deals… all without discussing with the U.S., still "leading" international sanctions at Europe’s original request.
You can claim the U.S. imperial follies you don’t want Europe to be involved in, but let’s also remember the European imperial follies that the U.S. was dragged into to support Europe… like Kosvo and the Libyan war for oil.
The real question no one is asking: why would anyone expect Europeans to defend countries they refuse to populate?
August Dramstad : Absolutely right. Europeans would be better off without the U.S. The U.S. should pull 100% out of Europe.
Ah Thomas, you are right.
Europeans should throw off the barbaric America military and its bases, and insist it return home. Protect both the children of Europe from going down this road and protect the European coffers!
I’m not trying to be funny. I don’t see the reason to force a NATO onto Europe that Europeans don’t value. End NATO and let Europe design European military that meets European needs.
I say good luck to you all in Europe!
Phadras Johns The people of Crimea did not want to be a part of the corrupt and fascist Ukraine. They had an election and there where overwhelming support to apply for membership in the Russian Federation. The Russian Duma reviewed and approved the Crimean application.
The US used covert operations to topple the democraticly elected Goverment in Ukraine. Thousands was killed and millions became refugees. The Ukraine fascist regime now receive weapons from the US and Israel, preparing for another US proxy war that will bring NATO countries in harms way. It could result in WW3 with the unpredictable US President Trump.
Ted Maynard : Hitler also didn’t realize the Euro focus of the U.S. during WW II. While Japan attacked the U.S., the U.S. did not make Asia the war priority and took defeats in Asia as a result. The U.S. made Europe, the U.K. survival and Russian supplies for Europe the priority.
Yeah! Europeans never start a fight!
Kosovo – Europeans get NATO involvement due to refugees swamping Germany and Italy.
Côte d’Ivoire military mission by France… flown there by the U.S.
Libya – France and U.K. attack Ghadafi to protect their national oil charters, U.S. is brought in to provide "support" and does 3/4 of the air missions.
It was never the wars… it was the socialism.
Ivor Large those crooks are now in jail, and looted money is being returned. China is ensuring Pakistan actually suceeds this time around, unlike the last 70 years under the IMF.
You deserve exactly what is befalling you. Don’t look to us to save you again…
Thomas Daniel Kuhn, you make the same false assumption of the historically ignorant: that if you are not interested in war, war will not be interested in you. Indeed, Europe was so not interested in war that it refused to fight the small war required to stop Hitler’s remilitarization of the Rhineland that would have kneecapped the Nazis. Europe’s reward for pacifist virtue-signaling was the largest, most destructive war in its history. But as historically ignorant as you are, you know none of this. You’re just happy to blame everything on the US.
“Russia is only their ‘enemy’ for the convenience of the US”? I dare you to say that at a bar in Poland. Say, Warsaw. Go on. Lemme know how your idiocy works with people who suffered under the Russians for decades and who still must face them head on.
Not up to your usual standards. The idea that “governments are formed by individuals who feel insecure in a “state of nature” and cede some of their personal sovereignty to the state in return for protection of life and property” is “preposterous”? Seriously? Why exactly do you think government was formed in the first place? Free health care? Schools? Yoga classes?
Jeffrey Robert Cox 78yrs old, he seems a sad failure
Ahson Aftab Going, going gone, a failed state sold to the highest (only) bidder.
Enjoy your new masters, judging how they behave in E Turkmenistan, you’ll have a great time.
Ken Lovell Asia Times…. there are alot of other articles in A Times….. And as for SE Asia being peaceful, obv never heard of the anti-Chinese riots in Indon, Burma, Tiamamen Sq….
But of course it’s just those nasty whites and US who cause all the world’s problems.
Jack Kendrick – What an idiotic comment. Europeans will fight to defend Europe, not to further US business interests.
Trey Ward – We do not need to be "saved", specially not by the US. Countries being "saved" by the US tend to end up destroyed and with hundreds of thousands killed. Look at Iraq and Syria, not to mention Vietnam and Korea…